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  Jehovah's Witnesses can donate blood

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  jehovah’s witnesses can donate blood.

  today i added a new article to my blog that answers the question of whether watchtower doctrine forbids jehovah’s witnesses from going to their community blood bank and donating some of their blood to help replace all the products from blood accepted on a daily basis by the community of jehovah’s witnesses.. .

  my article is titled jehovah’s witnesses can donate blood and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/03/jehovahs-witnesses-can-donate-blood.html.

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  Plasma donation centers in the US already separate out nothing but plasma and return the rest back to the donor. The plasma is then fractionated for use in medicines so, those types of donations are not "the general blood supply". It seems to me from what I have read of that letter, donating plasma to a plasma center would be allowable. They throw away what they don't use for medicines after extracting the components for medicines. Let THAT get out into congregations of largely financially struggling witnesses! They can put an extra $200+ in their pockets every month donating plasma!

  Plasma apheresis donation has become a common practice and is a viable approach for Jehovah's Witnesses. Watchtower policy already allows JWs to accept every bit of plasma so long as it's delivered as cryosupernatant (by volume 99% of plasma) and cryoprecipitate (by volume 1% of plasma). JW patients whose condition would benefit from transfusion of these products line up to accept them.

  See:

  Over 96% Accept 99%!

  Jehovah’s Witnesses can donate blood

  American Blood Centers' Approach to Jehovah's Witnesses Donating Blood
  
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  A funny little diplomatic cable regarding the Malawi atrocities against JW's in 1975

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  no doubt that atrocities were perpetrated against jehovah's witnesses in 1972-73.. but what about the reports in 1975?.

  here is an excerpt from a diplomatic cable sent to the us secretary of state in 1977.. the cable was released/declassified in 2009.. .... re jehovah's witnesses, why do we go back to the.

  events of 197273?

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  ...HE FOUND THE JW'S QUITE CAPABLE OF FALSIFICATIONS AND MISSTATEMENTS IN FURTHERANCE OF THEIR CAUSE.

  The leadership of this religion is quite capable of falsification and misstatement. The Malawi incident exemplifies the lengths Watchtower leadership is willing to go to build its religion empire on the backs of earnest but naive followers who suffered and died for refusing to do what top Watchtower leadership was doing all along.

  Malawi — Savage Betrayal by Watchtower?
  

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  Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

  i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

  "if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

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  Using a generic term when a specific term is more appropriate serves no other purpose but to obfuscate and confuse.

  Precisely.

  In 1950 Watchtower published the following statement:

  “If transfusion of human blood in the modern way was not practiced back there in Noah’s day or in Moses’ day, there was no need for God to expressly state a law against it; just the same as he included no law against smoking tobacco in his commandments to his typical people.”
  

  Here's the problem with that statement by Watchtower. To Noah God did make a statement about one use of blood, which was the act of eating blood (of animals killed as food). Nothing was said to Noah about other uses of blood, such as the ancient and various uses of blood for medicinal transplantation that then existed. If we accept what Watchtower says above then we have no reason to think God ever expected humans to refrain from non-eating uses of blood, and particularly when that use would help preserve health/life.

  Because the ancients (like Noah) did not have our modern technology and know-how to transplant blood like doctors of today does not mean the ancients did not transplant blood in various ways available to them for medicinal value.

  See:

  Medicine Practiced in Noah’s day — and Blood

  Ancient Blood Transplantation, and Noah

  Historical Medicinal Uses of Blood
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  Brooklyn Layoffs and Halt to Kingdom Hall construction projects

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a good source just just told me that at morning worship today that the governing body announced that a total of 1600 bethelites will be let get go and not transferred to warwich when the last property is sold in brooklyn and all kingdom hall building projects are on hold for at least a year so that all the focus will be on the preaching work.

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  I remember the food at the Conventions and Assemblies. They made Money until it was changed to a donation for the food.
  All of sudden, they were losing money for the lack of Donations.
  Food Program ended, problem ended!

  Yep. That's how it was.

  Back in the good ole days the assembly and convention gigs were considered major annual revenue drivers! The medium sized district conventions would clear well over $100,000 dollars, and the more local circuit assemblies tended to clear around $15,000 (twice per year) and that was after giving Watchtower it's cut/tax, which would tend to be in the $10-20,000 range (twice per year).
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  Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

  re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

  dear brothers:.

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  So now they have a simplified version of the simple book?
  Good grief!

  Why not? Franz is gone! Just think they have Splane, who makes about as much sense as screen doors on a submarine talking about the generation double-lap!! They have little choice but to simplify the simple!!!
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  Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

  re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

  dear brothers:.

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  Then: 24 issues X 32 pages each = 768 pages per year
  Now: 6 issues X 16 pages each = 96 pages per year

  That's the math alright. Add to that all the digital stuff replacing hardcopy at every level, plus postal savings due to digital distribution of all those letters and other stuff (shipping costs way down!).
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  Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

  re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

  dear brothers:.

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  Very much a "thing" among homeschooling JWs

  That's amazing! It also explains a few things I've noticed about home-schooled pupils. I had no idea that standards were so lax to accept this sort of thing!
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  Latest Leaked BOE letter to Elders Oct. 4th

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  october 4, 2015. to all congregations.

  re: new provisions announced atannual meeting.

  dear brothers:.

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  All the home school moms that counted the Ministry School as part of their curriculum are going to be bummed about this.

  Are you joking? That is legit? Some are/were really doing this and it was accepted by authorities?
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  Recent Ads on this site - Simon this needs some fixing

  by done4good in

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  2. friends

  i am noticing that when some of the ads run, the page keeps scrolling upward towards them.

  this is annoying and should be addressed, as it makes some threads almost impossible to read.

  have same effect on two different oss, (same browser type, firefox).

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  The only browser that works worth a hoot for me on this site is Chrome. I have problems galore with all over brands. On Chrome I don't experience the ad issue of the OP.
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  Impression of Leaked Letter Regarding Annual Meeting

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the letter that watchtower free put up was very interesting.

  here is my impression.. the watchtower is becoming more and more geared towards idiots.

  the midweek meeting has a stupid name, and the parts sound equally dumb.

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  Smart JW's seem to have a tendency to become smart xJW's.

  That's true, except for those with financial or power interests in remaining within the JW sphere. I've seen plenty of the likes of these. But when something happens that disrupts the power path or money flow they quickly becomes exs.